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Hi, I've read your post several times but I still feel like I don't understand it very well. What specific problem do you have ? As for the site itself, I got to the same domain with 1. 

However, I don't really understand the second part. So could you please explain to me what specific question you are asking and not getting an answer to ? 

I don't think we've got an answer to that yet. I would assume that maybe some promotions are coming via email or as you said via VIP contact if they have one. 

But why do you ask ?  🤔

Hi, I've read your situation and I'm quite sorry. If I'm thinking correctly, the main problem is the verification of your card. Did the casino give any specific reason why it didn't want to take your information and therefore the card was not accepted ? 

However, I saw that you filed a complaint so that might help and let's see where our team gets and if they can help you. 

Anyway, if you feel like closing your account here, I'm not sure if that will be necessary. I would try to wait and see how it all gets sorted out and then make a decision based on that. 

Nevertheless, I'm sure you won't be pushed into anything and the decision is up to you. I wish you the best of luck with everything and may you manage to solve your issue if you still feel like it.  

I would probably wait for everything to be sorted out and not spend more money on the casino. Only if everything was okay would I decide if I want to play here again. 

It's a pity you haven't heard anything about the card verification yet, but try to give the casino some more time, as we give them 14 days to sort this process out. 

Also try to check with support what stage the verification is at and if by any chance the documents will be rejected, I would like to know the reason. 

It will be important to be patient and especially not to keep playing further. 

If you have something new let me know. 

In this case, I'm not sure it will be possible to help you, because if you've lost your money our team won't be able to do anything about it. It is always best to get in touch as soon as problems arise so that they can be dealt with. 

However, I would definitely be careful and not continue playing here if you were worried. The payment method and therefore your card was still a problem for the casino to verify and you continued to play here. If I hadn't sorted everything out with them so that I could withdraw, I wouldn't have played here because you might have run into further inconveniences.

So if you have any troubles it would be best to say so, but if it's that you've lost everything in the end, you probably can't be helped. 

Hello Radka,

Your mention or your suspicion makes you and the forum in general very likeable here, because unfortunately - as you rightly mention - it is common practice! Not only here, but especially Trustpilot is full of "paid" reviews... some countries in particular are very receptive to such goodies!

Sad but true!

Hallo Radka,

Ihre Erwähnung bzw. Ihr Verdacht macht Sie und generell das Forum hier sehr sympathisch, denn leider ist es -wie Sie richtig erwähnen- gängige Praxis! Nicht nur hier, sondern vor allem Trustpilot ist voll von "bezahlten" Rezensionen... vor allem einige Länder sind sehr empfänglich für solche Goodies!

Traurig, aber wahr!

WINSPIRIT is the most ridiculous casino I have ever experienced... and yes, I can of course back up my statement if necessary!

I don't want to start any discussion here about the topic of "illegality in Austria due to the lack of a gambling license", because everyone who is (really) familiar with the matter knows what's going on and that's why many casinos (including Hello Casino, Casinoin, etc.) already have them They drew conclusions and completely withdrew from the Austrian market because they noticed or experienced themselves that all court judgments ended in guilty verdicts against the casinos and they had to reimburse the losses!

But what does WINSPIRIT do, which has only recently been on the market?

Of course - they ignore Austrian jurisprudence and brazenly offer their "services" in Austria anyway...

They rely on their license from Curacao and are of the opinion that this allows them to offer worldwide... this statement alone is nonsense, since there are many countries in which gambling is completely banned, but maybe they even offer there!

The height of unscrupulousness is that they verifiably mention that "WinSpirit operates under an international license from Curaçao, allowing us to offer our services worldwide. However, we respect and comply with the legal framework of the jurisdictions in which we operate."!

Here we are on the topic of "laughable", because I have rarely heard such an unscrupulous contradiction, since the "framework of jurisdiction" demonstrably and strictly prohibits their activity in Austria! Countless guilty verdicts have already proven this, but of course WINSPIRIT knows better...

Anyway - since I'm tired of having to justify myself again and again, even though the legal situation in Austria is crystal clear, I'll post all the details here as soon as the legal proceedings are over so that there are no excuses and hypocritical explanations from then on can!

Only when the last online casino has disappeared from Austria will my personal mission be fulfilled, as player protection in Austria is fortunately extremely high and therefore only a single provider has received a license because it strictly adheres to the requirements (very low deposit limits, low maximum betting amounts etc.), while this is completely ignored by the other (foreign) providers!

Until then, I wish all players a lot of fun at LEGAL and responsible online casinos!

WINSPIRIT ist das lachhafteste Casino, welches ich je erlebt habe... und ja, ich kann meine Aussage natürlich im Bedarfsfall belegen!

Ich möchte hier keinerlei Diskussion über das Thema "Illegalität in Österreich aufgrund fehlender Glücksspiellizenz" eröffnen, denn jeder der sich mit der Materie (wirklich) auskennt, weiß was Sache ist und viele Casinos (u.a. Hello Casino, Casinoin etc.) haben deshalb schon die Konsequenzen gezogen und sich vom österreichischen Markt vollständig zurückgezogen, da sie mitbekommen bzw. selbst miterlebt haben, dass alle Gerichtsurteile mit Schuldsprüchen gegen die Casinos endeten und sie die Verluste rückerstatten mussten!

Was aber macht WINSPIRIT, welches erst seit kurzem auf dem Markt ist?

Na klar - sie missachten die österreichische Rechtsprechung und bieten Ihre "Dienste" dreist&fröhlich trotzdem in Österreich an...

Sie berufen sich dabei auf ihre Lizenz aus Curacao und sind der Meinung, dass sie dadurch weltweit anbieten dürfen... alleine diese Aussage ist schon Schwachsinn, da es ja viele Länder gibt, in denen Glücksspiel vollständig verboten ist, aber vielleicht bieten sie ja sogar dort an!

Die Krönung der Skrupellosigkeit ist, dass sie nachweislich erwähnen, dass "WinSpirit operiert unter einer internationalen Lizenz von Curaçao aus, sodass wir unsere Dienste weltweit anbieten können. Wir respektieren und befolgen jedoch die rechtlichen Rahmenbedingungen der Gerichtsbarkeiten, in denen wir tätig sind."!

Hier wären wir beim Thema "lachhaft", denn einen solch skrupellosen Widerspruch habe ich selten gehört, da die "Rahmenbedingungen der Gerichtsbarkeit" deren Aktivität in Österreich nämlich nachweislich und strikt verbietet! Unzählige Schuldsprüche haben dies bereits belegt, aber WINSPIRIT weiß es natürlich besser...

Wie auch immer - da ich es nämlich satt habe, mich immer wieder rechtfertigen zu müssen, obwohl die diesbezügliche Rechtslage in Österreich glasklar ist, werde ich hier alle Details posten, sobald das Gerichtsverfahren abgeschlossen ist, damit es ab dann keine Ausreden und scheinheilige Erklärungen geben kann!

Denn erst wenn das letzte Online-Casino aus Österreich verschwunden ist, ist meine persönliche Mission erfüllt, da der Spielerschutz in Österreich glücklicherweise extrem hoch ist und demnach eben nur ein einziger Anbieter eine Lizenz erhalten hat, weil sich dieser strikt an die Vorgaben hält (sehr niedrige Einzahlungslimits, ebenso niedrige maximale Setzbeträge etc.), während das von den anderen (ausländischen) Anbietern vollkommen ignoriert wird!

Bis dahin wünsche ich allen Spielern viel Spaß bei LEGALEN und verantwortungsbewussten Online-Casinos!

I'm glad you notice such things. We try to catch such reviews and reject them because our goal is to always keep them honest and unbiased. 

Unfortunately, more and more such practices are common as you say and that's why sometimes it's good to ask, because we can detect possible fake reviews that way. 😕

Thank you for this insight and I hope you will keep us informed when the proceedings are over. Obviously a lot of players might be curious or learn something new. 

So we will wait for the next update. 👍

Well, that's what you like to see when someone registers here today just because of this one post, to express their alleged enthusiasm……….

But you could have written in German, since you supposedly come from Germany……….

Please don't forget a (positive, of course) review here on Guru and of course also on Trustpilot, because that will certainly make it more "lucrative" for you……….

Na das sieht man doch gerne, wenn sich jemand extra nur wegen diesem einen Beitrag heute hier registriert, um seine angebliche Begeisterung kundzutun……….

Hättest aber ruhig auch auf Deutsch schreiben können, da du ja angeblich aus Deutschland kommst……….

Bitte vergiss keinesfalls ein (natürlich positives) Review hier auf Guru und natürlich auch auf Trustpilot, denn das macht es für dich doch sicher „lukrativer"……….

I am glad that you have had better experiences with the casino, because as you can see, not everyone has had them. However, what did you deal with the customer support, since you say they are fast and friendly ? Also, withdrawals are always important in casinos, but since you haven't managed to withdraw yet, you can't comment on this. 

Nevertheless, if you did manage to make a withdrawal, you can let us know how it went. 🙂

Surprise Surprise - where did the extremely enthusiastic review from "ismo0815" suddenly go...

It's such a shame that nothing can be done about "something like that" (and we all know what this was about)!

At the same time, one can only be surprised that these strange people (actually I would much rather call them something completely different) don't at least make more effort so that it's not so extremely noticeable at best...

But to everyone who might accuse me of insinuation: I'm of course wrong, because dear Ismo has simply changed his mind and doesn't want to share his enthusiasm with the forum - that's his right....... ..

Surprise Surprise - wo ist denn plötzlich die so überaus begeisterte Bewertung von "ismo0815" hin.....

Es ist so schade, dass man gegen "so etwas" (und wir alle wissen, worum es sich hier gehandelt hat) nichts unternehmen kann!

Gleichzeitig kann man sich nur darüber wundern, dass sich diese eigenartigen Leute (eigentlich würde ich sie viel lieber ganz anders nennen) nicht zumindest mehr Mühe geben, damit es bestenfalls nicht so extrem auffällig ist...

Aber an alle die mir vielleicht Unterstellung vorwerfen: Ich liege natürlich falsch, denn der liebe Ismo hat es sich einfach anders überlegt und will seine Begeisterung jetzt doch nicht mit dem Forum teilen - ist ja sein gutes Recht...........

I think you've exposed it quite well. And on the one hand it is sad that maybe they don't take so much care to make it look credible, but on the other hand at least we have the possibility to recognize such reviews more easily. Since he deleted his post, maybe he got scared and I was looking to see if he had put a user review on this casino, but I didn't find one that was published. So I would say that for this one player the mission is accomplished and there is no dishonest review from him anywhere on our site. 

That's also why we always ask when for example a player says that the withdrawals and customer support are fast, how long it took and I think you can tell when a player actually writes you back if it was unbiased and he had real experience. If they try to ignore every question then there is something wrong.

I've already mentioned elsewhere how enthusiastic I am about your commitment to combating fake reviews - it's sensational and no one else does it like that!

I deliberately worded my response to "ismo0815's" post like this (including irony + sarcasm) and achieved (almost) what I wanted: I actually thought that he would try to desperately justify himself, but he chose to withdraw himself and his post completely!

One of my mentions was aimed at the topic of "Users from Germany" and ultimately that was apparently the main reason for his withdrawal, because the fact is that WINSPRIT has neither a license for Austria nor for Germany and therefore operates illegally in both countries!

Since the relevant legal situation in Germany is different than in Austria, in DE - just like the casino - the player is also liable to prosecution for illegal gambling (there have already been the first convictions in court in this regard) and, above all, that is why he has his fake game. Post deleted immediately or was "ordered back" by the management of the casino.........

I find the two other fake reviews from "sahrnatascha03" and "Cocobell" from page 1 of this thread all the more "amusing", because these two ladies (?) from Germany probably didn't consider this fact regarding illegality either!

However, I find it much, much worse or rather very worrying that WINSPIRIT even thanked you for one of the posts here, which also speaks for their unscrupulousness, but they are still desperately hoping that no one knows the legal situation!

This all comes to an end, because I have already mentioned what will happen in my case and that WINSPIRIT will have to answer for it in court...

Ich habe schon an anderer Stelle erwähnt, wie begeistert ich von Eurem Einsatz gegen Fake-Bewertungen bin - das ist sensationell und macht niemand sonst so!

Ich habe meine damalige Antwort auf den Post von „ismo0815" mit voller Absicht so formuliert (inklusive Ironie + Sarkasmus) und habe damit (fast) das erreicht, was ich wollte: Eigentlich dachte ich, dass er versuchen wird, sich verzweifelt zu rechtfertigen, aber er hat es vorgezogen, sich und seinen Post vollständig zurückzuziehen!

Eine meiner Erwähnungen zielte auf das Thema "User aus Deutschland" ab und letztendlich war das offenbar der Hauptgrund seines Rückzugs, denn Fakt ist, dass WINSPRIT weder eine Lizenz für Österreich, noch für Deutschland besitzt und demnach in beiden Ländern illegal operiert!

Da die diesbezügliche Rechtslage in Deutschland aber anders als in Österreich ist, macht sich in DE -ebenso wie das Casino- auch der Spieler bezüglich illegalem Glücksspiel strafbar (diesbezüglich kam es bereits zu ersten Verurteilungen vor Gericht) und vor allem deshalb hat er seinen Fake-Post sofort gelöscht oder aber wurde vom Management des Casinos "zurückbeordert"..........

Umso "amüsanter" finde ich die beiden weiteren Fake-Bewertungen von "sahrnatascha03" und "Cocobell" von Seite 1 dieses Threads, denn auch diese beiden Damen(?) aus Deutschland haben diesen Umstand bezüglich der Illegalität wohl nicht bedacht!

Viel viel schlimmer bzw. sehr sehr bedenklich finde ich allerdings, dass sich WINSPIRIT hier sogar für einen der Posts bedankt hat, was zusätzlich für deren Skrupellosigkeit spricht, aber sie hoffen eben immer noch verzweifelt, dass niemand die Gesetzeslage kennt!

All das hat hiermit ein Ende, denn ich habe ja schon erwähnt, zu was es in meinem Fall kommen wird bzw. dass sich WINSPIRIT dafür vor Gericht verantworten wird müssen...

Yes I understood basically the meaning of your post and why you wrote it. It's good that some players notice such things. 

Regarding the legality, I'm not an expert, so I'll leave it to others, but since you say that the case will be in court, then I'll be curious to see how it all ends. I just wish everything would turn out fair. 👍

This post is due to the fact that WINSPIRIT - despite my warning - reacted to my casino review with the same previous lies (see "User Feedback" --> https://de.casino.guru/winspirit-casino-rezensionen )!

The fact is that WINSPIRIT is proven to operate illegally in Austria and Germany, although they scandalously claim to "follow the applicable legal framework in the countries in which they operate"!

I am fed up with WINSPIRIT fooling the public and using lies, so here is the clear evidence so that from now on everything is clear and WINSPIRIT is simultaneously convicted of deliberate fraud!

Germany:

Download the current whitelist (all legal providers) --> https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/erlaubnisfaehigesgluecksspiel/whitelist

https://www.evz.de/einkaufen-internet/online-einkauf/online-gluecksspiel/ist-online-gluecksspiel-in-deutschland-illegal.html

Extract / Quote:

Austria:

https://www.bmf.gv.at/themen/gluecksspiel-spielerschutz/gesetzliche-grundlagen-gluecksspiel/faq-gluecksspielmonopol.html

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There are countless other sources that clearly confirm the illegality, but this should definitely be enough to finally prove everything and completely refute WINSPIRIT's statements!

Dieser Beitrag erfolgt aufgrund der Tatsache, dass WINSPIRIT -trotz Warnung meinerseits- auf meine Casino-Bewertung mit den gleichen bisherigen Lügen reagiert hat (siehe "User Feedback" --> https://de.casino.guru/winspirit-casino-rezensionen)!

Fakt ist, dass WINSPIRIT in Österreich und Deutschland nachweislich illegal operiert, obwohl sie skandalöserweise behaupten, "die geltenden rechtlichen Rahmenbedingungen in den Ländern, in denen sie tätig sind, zu befolgen"!

Ich habe es satt, dass WINSPIRIT die Öffentlichkeit zum Narren hält und mit Lügen agiert und deshalb hier die eindeutigen Nachweise, damit ab jetzt alles klar ist und WINSPIRIT gleichzeitig dem vorsätzlichen Betrug überführt wird!

Deutschland:

Download der aktuellen Whitelist (alle legale Anbieter) --> https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/erlaubnisfaehigesgluecksspiel/whitelist

https://www.evz.de/einkaufen-internet/online-einkauf/online-gluecksspiel/ist-online-gluecksspiel-in-deutschland-illegal.html

Auszug / Zitat:

Österreich:

https://www.bmf.gv.at/themen/gluecksspiel-spielerschutz/gesetzliche-grundlagen-gluecksspiel/faq-gluecksspielmonopol.html

Auszug / Zitat:

Es gibt noch unzählige andere Quellen, welche die Illegalität eindeutig bestätigen, aber dies sollte auf jeden Fall reichen, um endgültig alles zu belegen und die Aussagen von WINSPIRIT vollständig zu entkräften!

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