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Yes, it's worth a try. Money brokers, PAYSILO. VISA, MASTERCARD etc....emails from several people who have been scammed, telling them that it's a fraud and that they are involved. This is a good place to start. Then the game publishers are asked about their ethics, morals, and responsibility for enabling the activities of scam casinos....it can't be like this, they just wash their hands. Now we should just have a broad discussion on the topic. Let's not throw in the towel and also expect strong actions from the casino guru as a leading forum. The guru does have the channels and expertise.

Kyllä kannattaa yrittää. Rahan välittäjille ,PAYSILO. VISA , MASTERCARD jne....sähköpostia usealta huijatuksi joutuneelta jossa kerrotaan kyseessä olevan petos ja heidän olevan osallisia. Tästä hyvä alkaa. Sitten pelintoimittajille kysymys heidän etiikasta,moraalista , vastuusta mahdollistajana huijari kasinoiden toiminnan....ei voi mennä näin että peseevät kätensä. Nyt pitäisi vaan saada laaja keskustelu aiheesta. Ei heitetä "pyyhettä kehään" ja odotetaan myös casinogurulta johtavana foorumina vahvoja tekoja. Gurulla on kyllä kanavat ja osaaminen .

It’s gotten to the point lads were I am trying to catch out a literal AI bot for scamming 😂 this is not healthy for any of us

I'm sorry that nothing relevant has happened yet. As for conversations with game providers and the like, I've only seen a representative from Pragmatic Play here once, but since many people are 50/50 on these slots, it was probably a difficult conversation. 

So, game providers would first have to be part of our forum to be able to do something like that. I think that if players wrote complaints to them and asked why they can't win on slots or why they have low RTP and the like, it probably wouldn't be the best image for them. 

And above all, such complaints would completely bury your idea of being able to ask normal questions.

I've received the same crap in response...."your money is safe, the safety of the players is important to us, your money will be paid out soon"

Samaa paskaa olen saanut vastaukseksi....."rahasi ovat turvassa , meille on tärkeää pelaajien turvallisuus, rahasi maksetaan pian "

I don't understand the last thing you mean "would bury the thoughts of asking normal questions???

En ymmärrä viimeistä mitä tarkoitat " hautaisivat ajatukset esittää normaaleja kysymyksiä???

I was referring to the fact that if there were players like you who would deal with normal things and then players who would only deal with things like: why I didn't win at slots and your RTP is low and so on, then it would "bury the idea" you came up with and therefore you would want it to be a normal discussion about regular matters.

PAYSILO is a payment intermediary and is a partner of jokersace casino, which enables the casino to collect money. Deposits made with Visa are transferred to the casino by PAYSILO.....this cooperation between jokersace/Visa/PAYSILO requires investigation.

PAYSILO maksun välittäjänä on jokersace kasinon yhteistyökumppani joka mahdollistaa kasinon rahan keräyksen. Visalla tehdyt talletukset PAYSILO hoitaa siirrot kasinolle.....tämä yhteistyö jokersace/Visa/PAYSILO vaatii tutkintaa.

"Normal".....in my opinion it is not even normal when a casino does not pay winnings and does not respond to complaints or anything at all. This will become the new normal if no discussion is raised and scammers take advantage of the casinos. Methods MUST be found to address this. 1. Responsibility of game providers. 2. Money brokers. 3. (suggestion) casino guru cooperation with game providers. 1 unresolved complaint about unpaid player winnings = games out of service from the casino in question. Comments from the guru and extensive forum discussion on this.

"Normaaliasia".....mielestäni ei ole edes normaaliasia kun kasino ei maksa voittoja eikä vastaa valituksiin tai ylipäätään mihinkään. Tästähän tulee uusi normaali jos ei herätetä keskustelua ja huijari kasinot käyttävät hyväkseen. ON löydyttävä metodit tähän puuttumiseksi. 1. Pelintoimittajien vastuu. 2. Rahan välittäjien. 3. (ehdotus) casinoguru yhteistyö pelintoimittajien kanssa. 1 ratkaisematon valitus maksamattomasta pelaajan voitosta = pelit pois käytöstä ko. Kasinolta. Tähän gurulta kommenttia ja foorumi keskustelua laajasti.

I think you can imagine that quite easily, and this is definitely not a model that would work. There probably wouldn't be many casinos like that, and of course no one has to communicate with us if they don't want to. 

It's not an obligation, and we have no authority to force anyone to talk to us. 

I just don't think what you've outlined would work at all.

Your response gives "power" to criminal casinos by directly admitting the guru's powerlessness to address the grievances.

Vastauksesi antaa "voimaa" rikollisille kasinoille myöntäessäsi suoraan gurun voimattomuuden puuttua epäkohtiin.

What can I say, I just told it like it is. We are not some legal authority established by the state that stands above casinos around the world. 

We are a mediator who tries to help players, give them information, and so on. 

As I mentioned, only one game provider tried to have a representative account here, and that is PragmaticPlay. 

However, we cannot force anyone to have an account here and respond to players. You also imagine that there will be representatives of payment methods here, but I can't picture that at all.

But you are welcome to establish something like that, I'd be happy to see how it works. 🙂

But could the guru's answers be less "empowered" by criminal casinos? For example, a player's complaint that the casino does not respond to, is marked as "unresolved, the casino cannot be contacted" gives the casino an image....no one can do anything and the operation continues. I'm sure the guru would get game publishers to discuss the topic.....how to act if withdrawals are not paid. It's sad if the trend is that more "exciting" is whether casinos pay withdrawals.....or whether they get winning games...👍

Mutta voisihan gurun vastaukset olla rikollisia kasinoita vähemmän " voimaannuttamia" . Esim. Pelaajan valitus johon kasino ei vastaa, kuitataan " ratkaisematon , kasinoon ei saa yhteyttä " antaa kuvan kasinolle....kukaan ei mahda mitään ja toiminta jatkuu. Olen varma että guru saisi pelintoimittajat keskusteluun aiheesta.....miten toimia jos nostot maksamatta. On ikävää jos suuntaus on se että enemmän "jännittää" se maksaako kasinot nostot.....vai saako voittavia pelejä...👍

In such a case, when players see that the casino is not responding, I would not play there. I sometimes feel that very few players look at the information in advance. Then they only come when something happens. 

As I said, we cannot force anyone to respond here and have an account with us.

How would you imagine that if the casino does not respond, game publishers should solve these problems for the casino? They have no say in whether the casino pays players or not. They also couldn't convince anyone.

Also, I don't know how are deals between casinos and game providers. If they pay for example them and not players sometimes again you can't do nothing.

Spadewedge , Now is not the time to "shit in the pants" but to keep the discussion going. Question the money brokers of jokersace2.com by sending an email. ( [email protected] ) the question is whether ethics/morality are in order when passing money to scammers. The missing person states that he has a Curacao license....just send an email there in the form of a complaint.( [email protected] ) jokersace has gotten emotional with his lies so I'll continue investigating and I believe I'll get more answers. There's a saying "the dog barks at the one who catches the ball"

Spadewedge , Nyt ei kannata "paskoa housuun" vaan pitää keskustelu vireillä. Kyseenalaista jokersace2.com sivuston rahanvälittäjät lähettämällä sähköpostia. ([email protected]) kysymys onko etiikka/moraali kunnossa välittäessään rahaa huijareille. Kadonnut ilmoittaa omaavansa Curacao lisenssin....sinne vaan meiliä valituksen muodossa.([email protected]) jokersace on valheillaan mennyt tunteisiin joten jatkan selvitystä ja uskon saavani vielä vastauksia. On sanonta "se koira älähtää johon kalikka kalahtaa"

Jaroslav, it's about if the casino acts dishonestly and doesn't respond.....the game providers should be responsible. Why do they give the tools for criminal activity by allowing the games to be used. Now, Jaroslav, take your sense into your hands and stop showing empathy towards an activity that goes against all honesty. You are obviously a "younger" guy and your views are not enough to comment.

Jaroslav , kysehän on siitä jos kasino toimii epärehellisesti eikä vastaa.....pitää pelintoimittajilla olla vastuu. Miksi antavat välineet rikolliseen toimintaan myöntämällä pelit käyttöön. Otappas nyt Jaroslav järki käteen ja lopeta empatia toimintaa kohtaa joka sotii kaikkea rehellisyyttä vastaan. Olet ilmeisesti "nuorempi" kundi ja katsomuksesi ei riitä kommentointiin.

After a hard fight, the casino paid my withdrawal today.

Kovan taistelun jälkeen kasino maksoi nostoni tänään.

Spadewedge, I got my money today. I think I got help by sending emails to various parties.

Spadewedge , sain rahani tänään. Luulen että sain apua lähettämällä sähköposteja eri tahoille.

Hey Koppari, I for example, am not a younger guy and have been watching this kind of conversation and to me it looks like older guys are battered by ages of gambling and feeling tired of the entire industry still figthing the lonely path of playing. I could be wrong, but this isn't about who's right or wrong, since there's no game provider to confront and no way to prove anything, which usually leaves similar discussions as a matter of general fairness on one side and a matter of trust on the other.

We are not the enemies here. 🙂 Like you, we do not necessarily have to agree with anything you have presented. We are people too.

Glad you were paid!

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