Casino Secret - Сметката на играча и печалбите са конфискувани без ясно обяснение.

I registered on this site on May 8th.

That day, I made a deposit and played. I lost the deposited amount, but won with the cashback amount. Ultimately, I believe I ended up winning around $8,640.

When I tried to log in again on May 12th to play once more, I found that I could not log in. I spoke with live support, who told me that my account had been closed based on an overall judgement.

However, the live support representative cited Terms and Conditions B6 and B12. But B6 is merely one-sided accusations.

I was accused of not verifying my account for about three days after registration. Since I normally have a job, and since I thought I needed to prepare address confirmation documents when I make a withdrawal, this seemed unfair.

Despite explaining this, Live Support continues to ignore me. They only respond with identical answers even when I provide details via email.

If they were to say there were errors in the information I registered, that would at least be somewhat understandable, but I cannot accept this sort of seizure.

Moreover, while they cited B12, they contradicted themselves by seizing the user's funds.

They first pointed out B12 and suggested that the money in the user's account will be refunded. But they subsequently added B6 as an afterthought.

It's a substantial sum of money, and even if my account cannot be reinstated, I want to recover the money only.

Could you perhaps assist me with this?

このサイトに5月8日登録をしました。

その日にお金を入れて遊んでおり、入金分は負けたのですが、キャッシュバック分で勝利し、最終的に$8,640ほどだったと思います、このお金を手にしました。

5月12日に再度遊ぼうと思いログインをしようとしたのですが、ログインが出来なくなっておりまして、ライブサポートにお話を聞いたところ、総合的な判断でアカウントを閉鎖されたと言われました。

しかし、ライブサポートの方が利用規約B6とB12を示されたのですがB6は一方的な言いがかりでしかありません。

登録してから３日程度アカウントの認証をしなかった事を責められましたが、普段は仕事をしておりますし、住所確認書類を用意するのは出金するときでと思ってたのです。

そのように伝えてもライブサポートは無視をし続けますし、メールで詳細を伝えても同じ返答しか返ってきません。

私が登録した情報等に誤入力があったりしてと言うならばまだ分からなくもないですが、このような没収措置は認められません。

また、B12を示されていながらユーザーの資金を没収するという矛盾した措置も取られています。

B12を最初に指摘されまして、ユーザーのアカウントにある金銭は返金されると指摘をしたところ、後付でB6を提示してきた流れです。

大きなお金ですし、アカウントの復活がされないとしても、お金だけは取り戻したいです。

どうかお力を貸していただけないでしょうか。

Hello Tajinote,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and I'm really sorry to hear about your issue with CasinoSecret. Please allow me to ask you a few more question before we would move forward.

Could you please advise if the casino ever requested the verification from you? Would it be possible to forward the communication between you and the casino to [email protected]? When was the last time you spoke to the casino and what was it about?

Looking forward to your answer.

Regards,

Nick

I sent the two emails I received and my inquiry to live support.

Please let me know if there is anything else you need.

届いていたメール2通とライブサポートとの問い合わせ内容を送りました。

他に必要なことがあれば教えてください。

The last time I spoke to a casino was last night.

I think it was around 2000-2200 on May 12th.

We talked about how I couldn't log in and that my account had been closed, so I asked why.

最後にカジノと会話をしたのは昨日の夜です。

5月12日の2000〜2200くらいだったと思います。

話した内容はログイン出来ないことと、アカウントが閉鎖と言う話になったのでその理由を聞きました。

Thank you Tajinote for all the information provided. I will now forward your complaint to my colleague Branislav ([email protected]) who will be assisting you from now on.

Wish you best luck resolving it.

Regards,

Nick

Hello, Tajinote,

I am sorry to hear about your trouble and apologize for the delay. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Now I would like to invite the casino representative to join this conversation and participate in resolving this complaint.

Dear CasinoSecret team,

Could you please explain the player's situation in more detail? Why has his account been blocked/closed? Have the disputed winnings been confiscated? What steps should the player take to unblock the account, pass the KYC, and/or withdraw his winnings?

If we are talking about a breach of the casino's Terms and Conditions, is the casino able to substantiate its claims and decision with relevant evidence?

Feel free to send the necessary evidence to my email address ([email protected]).

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Thank you Branislav, the player has been informed that the account has been closed due to the violation of our general T&Cs. And our decision stands. We have reviewed the involved party and in good faith have decided to return their deposit. CasinoSecret is a licensed online casino, with no tolerance to any violation of T&C, including organized networks to abuse our offers. We always aim to provide the best, fair, and a secure game environment to our customers.

Dear CasinoSecret team,

Thank you for the explanation. Although it is very nice, it basically said nothing relevant to us, and since the casino confiscated his winnings, we would definitely need more details regarding the breach of the casino's Terms and Conditions - which exact rules were breached, and relevant evidence supporting your claims and the casino's decision. What exactly did the user commit/what unfair advantage did he gain by playing in such a way? What exactly does an "organized network" mean according to the casino?

Please note that without sufficient clarification and evidence, I will not be able to close the complaint in favour of the casino.

Thank you for your reply, Branislav.

Regarding your inquiry, the decision on the measures taken will be final and your account will not be reactivated.

Since the information exchanged will include personal information, if you require more details regarding any violations of the Terms of Use, we ask that you contact customer support via Tajinote.

Branislav様、お返事をいただきありがとうございます。

お問い合わせいただいた内容に関して、当該措置は担当部署の最終判断となり、アカウントの再開はできません。

情報のやりとりは個人情報を含む内容となりますので、利用規約の違反内容に関して詳細が必要な場合、タジノテさまよりカスタマーサポートへお問い合わせいただきますようお願いいたします。

This is a selfish request despite my inquiry being ignored.

I think that those who don't file complaints with the larger community like in this case are just putting up with it.

If I am committing fraud, why was my deposit returned?

You are inconsistent and your behavior is unacceptable.

私の問い合わせを無視されてたにも関わらず身勝手な言い分です

今回のように大きなコミュニティに苦情を申し立てしない方々は、皆さん泣き寝入りをしているのではないですか

私が不正をしているというならなぜ入金分を返却されたのですか?

あなた方には一貫性がありませんし、こんな対応では納得出来ません。

There are a number of responses that I cannot accept.

The initial explanation was that it was confiscated due to delayed authentication, but this happened only a few days after I registered.

Consider the hassle of going to city hall to get your resident registration certificate.

It is dishonest not to inform users of this important guideline that not verifying for even a few days can lead to the closure of their account.

And you are the ones who offered B12. It is only natural that you should return the entire amount.

納得が出来ない対応がいくつもあります。

最初の説明では認証が遅れた事を理由に没収でしたが、登録してから経った数日の事ですよ。

市役所に住民票を発行しに行く手間を考えてください。

認証を数日しないだけでアカウントの閉鎖に繋がるという大事な指針をユーザーへ告知しないのは不誠実です。

それにB12を提示したのはあなた達です。資金の全額を返却していただくのが当然の対応です。

Thank you both for your replies.

Dear CasinoSecret Team,

Since the complainant has claimed from the beginning that the casino does not react to his emails or to his attempts to find out more regarding the account closure/winnings confiscation and we have no option to verify if the casino's CS replies to his messages or not (even if they did it), let's simplify it a bit and not unnecessarily drag it out.

The casino is the one who confiscated the player's winnings, so it is the one who should be able to substantiate such a decision with relevant clarification and evidence, which I requested from you approximately 3 weeks ago.

So, is the casino able and willing to cooperate and provide us with the requested or not?

Please note that 'unresolved' cases mean a decrease in the casino's rating/'safety index' on casino.guru.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Dear Tajinote,

I was discussing the matter with the casino representative outside the thread, and have requested relevant evidence to support their allegations. Unfortunately, as you can see above, after more than a month, I could not gather the necessary details. The lack of concrete evidence from the casino team prevents us from fully supporting the confiscation of your winnings. In our commitment to promoting a safe and equitable gambling environment for both players and casinos, any violations of terms must be adequately substantiated, which regrettably was not the case in this particular instance.

I will mark the complaint as "unresolved" in our system. I understand this is not a satisfactory solution to your issue. However, the decrease in the rating caused by unresolved complaints might help change the casino's approach. If the casino decides to resolve this case or provide the required evidence, we will reopen the complaint, and you will be notified by email.

In the meantime, I recommend you contact the Gaming Curaçao Authority ([email protected]) and submit a complaint to them. The gaming authority might have more options and tools to help players.

In case of any questions or news from the regulator, do not hesitate to contact me at [email protected].

I wish I could be of more help. I sincerely hope you will not come across a problem like this again.

Best regards,

Branislav, Casino.Guru