Честна игра без RNG

Good day to all lovers of excitement.

There is a project of online PvP games, without accidents.

The game is made by the players themselves. No skills are needed, all players are in completely equal conditions.

Dispersion and volatility are below average.

Let's say, approximately x3-4.5 with a probability of 15 - 30% in each game round.

I'm interested in opinions on whether such a model is in demand, or is it more exciting to click with a program loaded against you?

День добрый, всем любителям азарта.

Есть проект онлайн игр PvP, без случайностей.

Игру делают сами игроки. Навыков не надо, все игроки совершенно в равных условиях.

Дисперсия и волатильность - ниже среднего.

Скажем так, примерно х3-4,5 с вероятностью 15 - 30% в каждом игровом раунде.

Интересует мнение, востребована такая модель, или все же кнопать с заряженной против тебя программой азартнее?

Let's see some replies hopefully soon.

P.S. This is not an advertisement.

I would like to understand the wishes of the players.

P.S. Это не реклама.

Хочется понять пожелания игроков.

P.S. I pretty much do not understand the criteria anyway, so feel free to be more concrete regarding the odds, volatility, and RTP - if we are even talking about gambling.

Just no links, thank you.

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1. PvP
2. The game's algorithms completely exclude RNG
3. Transparent fair gameplay without any interference from the game organizer
4. All players are on a completely equal footing and have equal chances of becoming a winner.
5. There will always be a winner, hence the low volatility.
6. Since there is no RNG, there is no RTP as such.
7. One or more players will be winners.
8. The lack of a customizable RTP is the main distinguishing feature of the proposed algorithm.

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1. PvP
2. Алгоритмы игры полностью исключают RNG
3. Прозрачный честный игровой процесс без любого вмешательства организатора игры
4. Все игроки полностью в одинаковых условиях и с равными шансами стать победителем
5. Всегда будет победитель, отсюда низкая волатильность.
6. Так как нет RNG то и нет как такового RTP
7. Один или несколько игроков будут победителями.
8. Отсутствие настраиваемого RTP и есть основной отличительной особенностью предлагаемого алгоритма

I'm not sure I follow the concept.

So, how does the game work - PVP in casino? Given that we are still discussing an algorithm and have excluded the RNG, how will we determine the winner?

This is the new concept.

I am interested in the demand for such a model.

это и есть новая концепция.

Меня интересует востребованность такой модели.

I'm curious about how you can consider potential demand when the provided explanation seems to have significant flaws. Follow my logic for a moment:

For example, poker is a casino alternative to PVP that incorporates randomness, follows an algorithm or specific RTP, and boasts one of the lowest house edges, all thanks to the use of shuffled cards.

It primarily depends on the characteristics of each player.

But based on your explanation of the PVP model, it sounds more like poker without cards. You must have a chance to win or lose in order to gamble, and either a card or an algorithm achieves this. Analogically, RTP represents "Return to player." Generally speaking, each action has a result; the result is either a win or a loss, and based on that, the RTP is measurable. Without implementing a process to determine the bet's outcome, we can't seriously discuss the game of chance or even gambling at all. Chance, by the way, is a very short version of the concept represented by RNG.

I do not disclose the algorithm, since this is already a subject of commercial application.

I wanted to see how interested players were in the PvP model and the lack of software RNG.

Losing or winning in the game process can be achieved through the player's skills or through chance. Or, in my case, through certain algorithms. I understand that I am speaking too generally, but I hope it is clear enough.

The comparison with poker is very correct, in poker there is RNG - distribution of the deck, and the skill of the player. And if I understood correctly, Radka draws attention to the fact that this has low attractiveness?

Why exactly?

Я не раскрываю алгоритма, так как это уже предмет коммерческого применения.

Я хотел увидеть, насколько игрокам интересна модель PvP, и отсутствие програмvного RNG.

Проигрыш или выигрыш в игровом процессе может быть реализован за счет умений игрока либо за счет случайности. Либо, в моем случае, за счет определенных алгоритмов. Я понимаю, что говорю слишком обобщенно, но надеюсь достаточно понятно.

Сравнение с покером очень правильное, в покере есть RNG - раздача колоды, и умение игрока. И если я правильно понял, Radka обращает внимание, что это имеет низкую привлекательность?

Почему именно?

Ah, now I think I'm beginning to understand. Thank you for being patient with me. First of all, I fear the translation to English partially changed the meaning.

But now I believe I got it. 🙂

Now that I know the model in question incorporates the algorithm in some way, it makes more sense.

However, I fear my voice is not what you are looking for, because the way I understand it, you would like to know whether players would be interested in such an adventure. As an administrator, I may not be considered a typical player. Yet we may discuss the idea further; perhaps we can attract players after all.

Let's stick with the poker. Could you describe similarities and differences compared to poker, please? I'm trying to imagine playing the PVP game you have in mind.

Well, hints won't do here)). You have to give the whole picture, or nothing.

As the administrator of such a site, do you have any interested parties in implementing such a project?

An RNG-free gambling platform is planned.

An entire alternative ecosystem. For people who love the game but understand that programmed randomness is not randomness.

For those who love fair and transparent play between players with equal opportunities.

Ну тут не обойдешься намеками)). Надо давать всю картину, или ничего.

У вас, как у администратора такого сайта, нет заинтересованных лиц в реализации такого проекта?

Планируется платформа азартных игр без RNG.

Целая альтернативная экосистема. Для людей, которые любят игру, но понимают, что запрограммированная случайность - это не случайность.

Для тех, кто любит честную и прозрачную игру между игроками с равными возможностями.

Hm, so I guess that's the end. No, I'm not aware of such contact. I'm sorry.

So, we're getting back at the beginning - what is the randomness? If it's not a random number generator (RNG), what is the randomness? I personally saw a lot of "decentralized" crypto fair-proven sites, where players compete against each other, overseeing, and they were pretty much all scams.

"The distinctive feature of decentralized gaming platforms is that they are created on the blockchain, meaning there is no central control (unlike any centralized gaming platforms or any others that are just trying to seem decentralized).

The smart contracts within decentralized gaming platforms are self-executing agreements with lucid instructions written into codes. Since these are rule-enforcing contracts, there is no need for an intermediary, which guarantees transparent play and fair chances of winning. This is why the 1xcrypto system is completely built on smart contracts.

In addition, our Smart Contracts have completely passed independent security audits and the entire gaming platform is open-source, which guarantees that the code has been checked by thousands of security and crypto industry enthusiasts." 🤣👌

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Just saying. Good luck with that.

I don't question blockchain and smart contracts.

This is, so to speak, already a consequence of the completed action. Action is a game based on chance.

Randomness is based on a random number generator with a pre-programmed betting coefficient. Players by default agree that for some period N, about which no one is informed, the gaming machine or online slot will return 96% to players.

Players are catching slots and machines that, in their opinion, "haven't been played for a long time."

A tuned random number generator and the rolls of a dice on a table are two fundamentally different types of randomness.

Therefore, I am talking specifically about this component of gambling.

Not from the moment when the player can check whether RNG was applied or there was manual intervention.

Namely, at the stage of forming the game process and determining the winner.

And if this process is without pseudo-randomness, then there is no need to prove the absence of intervention.

This is what I am talking about

Я не ставлю под сомнение блокчейн и смарт-контракты.

Это, скажем так, уже следствие совершенного действия. Действие - игра основанная на случайности.

Случайность строится на генераторе случайных чисел с заранее запрограммированным коэффициентом отбора ставок. Игроки по умолчанию соглашаются с тем, что за какой-то период N, о котором никого не ставят в известность, игровой аппарат либо онлайн-слот вернет игрокам 96%.

Игроки ловят слоты и аппараты, которые по их мнению "давно не отдавали".

Настроенный генератор случайных чисел и броски кубика на столе - это две принципиально отличающиеся случайности.

Поэтому, я веду речь именно об этой составляющей азартных игр.

Не с момента, когда игрок может проверить - был применен RNG или было ручное вмешательство.

А именно на стадии формирования игрового процесса, и определения победителя.

А если этот процесс без псевдо случайности - то нет нужды в доказательстве отсутствия вмешательства.

Вот о чем диалог я веду

I generally wanted to know whether this is fundamentally interesting to anyone or not.

я вообще хотел узнать - интересно это принципиально кому-то или нет.

I see - and I hope you are going to receive some feedback from the community.

I still feel like this is far too theoretical for me; perhaps I'm just unable to think outside the box. 😀

Why theoretical? Because there are no specific algorithms to discuss?

почему теоретичекое? потому что нет конкретных алгоритмов для обсуждения?

No, more because I still do not understand or imagine the model and associated game.

Well, this at least says that such a product does not exist yet).

And this is a plus for me)

ну это говорит как минимум о том, что такого продукта еще нет).

И это плюс для меня)

I wouldn't say that based solely on a conversation with one person, but that's up to you. 🙂